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07/11/2010

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Michael Valle

This post is INCREDIBLE. I believe that you have identified all of the major causal influences here. Wow. Did I say this post was incredible?

This post deserves to be expanded and published somewhere important.

John Pepple

Well, thanks, though I should mention that Keith Burgess-Jackson pointed out one that I had missed: that liberals and leftists are such weenies that they are afraid of the Muslims and so have allied themselves with them. They know they can attack the fundamentalist Christians and not worry about reprisals.

Immunophilosopher

"b) Then there are the “male feminists,” who feel so guilty about patriarchy that they accept whatever feminists say."

Though some of what you say in this post has merit, I believe that this is a strawman. A male feminist is simply a man who believes, for whatever reasons, that women should enjoy the same opportunities and rights as men. There is nothing there which commits us to supporting the rank absurdities of the professional feminist movement.


"f) saying that the “world” hated us when in fact it was mostly Muslims and their friends in western Europe who hated us"

I would say that of the Europeans, the Greeks, Spanish and Portuguese, whose tyrannical regimes were supported during the cold war solely because they were anti-communist and without regard to their crimes, have legitimate grounds for greivance.

I also think it is a mistake here to discount the powerful influence in many countries of fear of the spread of American culture, and the consequent decline of local traditions. Although this is mostly due to inadequate self-confidence in their own culture, it's an important element in explaining anti-Americanism.

Brian

There is a lot of assertions here, but none so patently false as "despite being proved wrong on many environmental dangers, environmentalists keep churning out the verbiage about the dangers of global warming and other illusory demons."

The dangers of global warming is not in question by any environmental scientists. The existence of debate concerning its cause and nature does not dispel that fact.

John Pepple

I'm going to jump to a conclusion and assume that you are left of center. If so, then here is the dilemma I've been posing for those who are left of center: You can either say you trust the peer-review process that leads to what you call a "fact," or you can listen to people at the bottom, but not both.

What I mean is that people like me who were victims of the evils of peer review ended up on the bottom (in academia). If you want to say you listen to people at the bottom, you have to start listening to people like me about how awful and unreliable peer review is. And if you do, then you are going to have to take a close look at the "results" of these environmental scientists. You will demand to see papers that were rejected to see if they were rejected for legitimate reasons or merely because they were saying the wrong thing. I'm pretty confident that any close and impartial examination of peer review will reveal many irregularities, enough so that what you call a fact will no longer seem like one.

Take your pick. Either trust the peer-review process or listen to those of us at the bottom. Which will it be?

John Pepple

immunophilosopher, I always get a kick out of liberals and leftists talking about the horrors of American cultural influence, because the influence is cherry-picked. When it comes to McDonald's or tv shows they don't like such as Baywatch, they are horrified by it. But when it comes to rock music, they ignore it.

Also, a few years ago I found a Nigerian journalist online who complained about American influence in almost the very words you use. And what was the first item on his list? Basketball. But I've never heard of any Americans who worry about the spread of basketball. Like I said, people like you cherry-pick the items you think of as pernicious.

As for the crimes committed by regimes in Greece and Spain, I would agree that they have legitimate cause for complaint. But they should complain about those leftists who supported communism and not about those who tried to resist it. This blog is about being leftist, but at the same time being self-critical, and it is long past time to admit that communism was a horrible stain on the left.

I would respond to the bit about male feminists, but it would take too long, and today my time is limited.

Dixie Blankley

You identify yourself as a member of the left, but I find that hard to believe. This 80 year old great grandmother finds you far too intelligent and capable of thinking to be of the leftist persuasion. Thank you for a wonderful article.

John Pepple

Well, my basic orientation is egalitarian, so I call myself a leftist, but I'm also trying to reform the left. I don't expect to change the minds of any leftists over the age of about twenty, but if you know of any leftists younger than that, be sure to send them to my blog so that they can see a very different sort of leftism.

Herman Benschop

Well, for what it's worth, my theory on lefties and islam:
Leftists are convinced they are right in every way. They think that their way of thinking is superior. And it is just a matter of time until everybody else is coming around.
And that is why they don't oppose islamic fundamentalism even it is blatantly clear that islamism is the opposite of everything leftists ever stood for; equal rights for women and gays being the most obvious example. Their cognitive dissonance comes in very handy at this point.
They keep thinking that these islamists will eventually see the light and convert to progressive, secular western views.
They couldn't be more wrong.of course.

John Pepple

Thanks for your input. It's as reasonable as any other. I think you probably have to add something to make it clear why leftists saw Muslims as allies in the first place, such as their anti-Americanism, or something.

TGGP

I'm a paleo, and I adhere to the near-enemy far-enemy thing. I think Noam Chomsky has given a similar explanation for why he critiques his own government rather than others. But I also side with the more local governing authority against the one above (with the topmost breadth being the U.N), which isn't quite near vs far. The smaller unit of government is easier to get away from and can muster less power, so it is less of a threat.

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