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Salem

Do you really think that the Islamic world is far to the right in Western terms? Socially, I guess (although even here the comparison is stretched), but economically, no way. The signature issue that holds the right together is paying at least lip-service to the free market.

How about this theory (I don't know how it fits into your existing ones): leftism won in most of the Middle East in the post-colonial period. But western leftists can't bring themselves to support the supposedly leftist regimes in the Middle East (eg Mubarak), because they're so awful and obviously broken. As the left are generally optimistic about the possibilities of revolution, they therefore support any rising movement in the Middle East, which just so happens to be Islamism atm. And when there are leftist challenges to a sitting Islamist state (as in Iran) the left support that too.

I call it the Eternal Optimist Theory, but I think it needs to be married with the White Man's Burden Theory, which is obviously a part of the explanation.

Ben Landon

Salem,

The Left is not saying much of anything about Libya. They seem to be supporting revolution in Egypt but not in Libya. In addition, they are more than willing to criticize Saudi Arabia, but don't seem the least bit interested in criticizing Syria or Iran. I do not think your proposed theory takes into account that Leftists appear to be much more critical of the USA's allies than of its enemies.

John Pepple

Salem: I would agree with Ben Landon about the varying support among leftists for different regimes in the Muslim world. The idea seems to be that if a regime is not supported by America, then it is “authentic” and must be supported by the left; otherwise, it should be opposed.

And why do you say that even socially these countries aren’t so far to the right? Saudi Arabia, at least, is about as far to the right as you can get, if you are thinking in feminist terms. In north Africa, there is female genital mutilation. In Egypt, nearly every woman wears a headscarf, which wasn’t true a couple decades ago, and I assume this is the influence of religious conservatives. Plus, I was told they don’t even understand atheism. Everyone is either Muslim, Christian, or Jewish. This is very far from the secularist West.

As for the left’s refusal to support the economically unfree countries of the Muslim world, keep in mind that I’m also puzzled by the total lack of interest among leftists in what is going on in Europe among the immigrants. One would think that a huge army of conservatives moving into town would bother the left, but that hasn’t happened yet.

Think about it reversed. Just imagine if pro-life people invited a bunch of immigrants in who were known to be strongly pro-choice. The pro-life people kept pushing against abortion, and when it was pointed out to them that they were undercutting their own position by inviting these immigrants in, the answers given were unconvincing (“Our homegrown pro-choice people are worse,” “They have the right to their own culture,” “You’re just prejudiced against them,” etc.).

Ok, let’s assume you’re right, though, that the Muslim countries aren’t very far to the right, or more likely, that the left doesn’t for some reason see them this way. I think this would fall under the They-Aren’t-Really-Muslims theory, or rather a variant of it that simply doesn’t acknowledge how far to the right they are socially.

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