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01/19/2013

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Mark Spahn

First, a language note...
You say "perfectly good aesthetically". When I first read this, I took "perfectly good" in the colloquial sense of "aesthetically speaking, entirely satisfactory". But you apparently meant to say "aesthetically perfect"; i.e., any change would make it less aesthetic.

Your "just-God theology" is interesting, but it seems to involve repeated reincarnation. Reincarnation is useless without some memory of your previous reincarnations, especially if you're supposed to improve in successive reincarnations. And what is supposed to be the source of the information that moral improvement will lead eventually to heaven? Are we just supposed to infer this on our own? Maybe the need to infer all these theological teachings is part of the punishment!

John Pepple

" Reincarnation is useless without some memory of your previous reincarnations, especially if you're supposed to improve in successive reincarnations."

My observations of people leads me to believe that some people right from the time they are very young understand certain moral ideas, while others don't. Where did they get that understanding? I'm assuming it was unconscious knowledge from a previous life.

"And what is supposed to be the source of the information that moral improvement will lead eventually to heaven?"

I'm starting from the premise that there is a God who is good and just. It seems to me that God isn't a jealous God since jealousy is an imperfection, and God is a perfect being. So, assuming that there is an afterlife -- and it's hard to believe that a good God wouldn't give us one -- then it's unlikely that faith is going to get us into heaven. Faith, after all, is what the jealous God wants from us, but it is not what the just God wants.

We could get there simply by grace, but that means that people who don't deserve to get into heaven would end up in heaven anyway. Either such people would be allowed to do what they want, or not. If the former, then heaven would be filled with people annoying the people who do deserve to be there, and what would be the point of heaven in that case? If the latter, then it wouldn't be heaven for them, so why allow them in at all?

So, it's not faith that gets one to heaven, and it's not grace, so it's likely to be moral improvement.

Naturally, this whole line of reasoning depends on the existence of a good and just God.

"Maybe the need to infer all these theological teachings is part of the punishment!"

I see earth as basically heaven's prison, and like prisons here on earth, it's easier to get into than out of. So, yes, figuring these things out is part of the punishment. Likewise, figuring out what the moral rules are without any divine guidance is part of the punishment, too.

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